OS/2 and ADSL from Verizon Online

[John Missing]

Beloved in Christ,
After a horrible experience with the Injoy Firewall and PPPoE driver and
their lack of support for their products, which, in the end, could not
be configured because installing the driver interfered with MPTS
configuration, and then discovering that ISDNPM doesn't support DHCP and
finally finding that SafeFire seems to misread the configuration under
MPTS, I am wondering whether there is any way to connect to Verizon
Online DSL under OS/2.
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection. My machine dual boots OS/2 or Windows 98.
Any information would be appreciated.

Blessings,
Archbishop John

[Jerry]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:05:00 UTC, John Missing

Post by John Missing
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I use Verizon DSL, and I have no real idea how I would go about
connecting my OS/2 and eCS installations to the verizon modem without
a network card. Once you have a network card, an inexpensive router
just makes everything much easier.

HTH,
Jerry
--

[John Missing]

I have a network card, but under Windows 98, I don't have to use a
router. Windows software allows me to connect the NIC to the DSL modem
directly. There doesn't appear to be anything comparable for OS/2. The
software that I've tried just doesn't work satisfactorily.

Post by Jerry
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:05:00 UTC, John Missing

Post by John Missing
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I use Verizon DSL, and I have no real idea how I would go about
connecting my OS/2 and eCS installations to the verizon modem without
a network card. Once you have a network card, an inexpensive router
just makes everything much easier.
HTH,
Jerry

Blessings,
Archbishop John

[Dave {Reply Address in.sig}]

Post by John Missing
I have a network card, but under Windows 98, I don't have to use a
router. Windows software allows me to connect the NIC to the DSL modem
directly. There doesn't appear to be anything comparable for OS/2. The
software that I've tried just doesn't work satisfactorily.

Errr... on my system I'd just tell it to use DHCP in the TCP configuration
settings for the LAN interface and I'd expect it to work. However, I hide
all my machines behind a router and they've all got static IPs so I don't
need to do it that way.

Dave

[William L. Hartzell]

Post by John Missing
I have a network card, but under Windows 98, I don't have to use a
router. Windows software allows me to connect the NIC to the DSL modem
directly. There doesn't appear to be anything comparable for OS/2. The
software that I've tried just doesn't work satisfactorily.

Post by Jerry
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:05:00 UTC, John Missing

Post by John Missing
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I use Verizon DSL, and I have no real idea how I would go about
connecting my OS/2 and eCS installations to the verizon modem without
a network card. Once you have a network card, an inexpensive router
just makes everything much easier.

The PPPoE stuff used by Verizon is a Microsoft invention. I would
assume that a decent port of it has not made it to OS/2 since you've
tried the only offerings of PPPoE for OS/2.

The easiest solution would be a cheap router/firewall box. Note the
firewall in these cheap routers is not very good. Keep the one on OS/2
and Windows working. Also when you get one, update its BIOS/firmware
ASAP. Crackers are always finding holes in them and the latest patches
do help.

[Paul Russell]

Your really better off putting a LinkShi* router between you and the
internet.

Post by John Missing
I have a network card, but under Windows 98, I don't have to use a
router. Windows software allows me to connect the NIC to the DSL modem
directly. There doesn't appear to be anything comparable for OS/2. The
software that I've tried just doesn't work satisfactorily.

Post by Jerry
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:05:00 UTC, John Missing

Post by John Missing
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I use Verizon DSL, and I have no real idea how I would go about
connecting my OS/2 and eCS installations to the verizon modem without
a network card. Once you have a network card, an inexpensive router
just makes everything much easier.
HTH,
Jerry

Blessings,
Archbishop John

[Robert Wolfe]

Post by Jerry
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:05:00 UTC, John Missing

Post by John Missing
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I use Verizon DSL, and I have no real idea how I would go about
connecting my OS/2 and eCS installations to the verizon modem without
a network card. Once you have a network card, an inexpensive router
just makes everything much easier.
HTH,
Jerry

Or, you could just get one of those Verizon DSL modems that has the
built-in router and use that.

[m***@privacy.net]

Post by Robert Wolfe

Post by Jerry
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:05:00 UTC, John Missing

Post by John Missing
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I use Verizon DSL, and I have no real idea how I would go about
connecting my OS/2 and eCS installations to the verizon modem without
a network card. Once you have a network card, an inexpensive router
just makes everything much easier.
HTH,
Jerry

Or, you could just get one of those Verizon DSL modems that has the
built-in router and use that.

The InJoy firewall supports ADSL if you need it. But even so I would
probably prefer an outboard router as well.

-- Dave
-----------------------------------------------------------
dhdurgee<at>verizon<dot>net
-----------------------------------------------------------

[Bjarne Jensen]

I regret to say that John Missing is lying.

We analyzed John's PPPoE trace and replied to --every single-- question John
had, right up until the point where John started his e-mail with the
sentense:

"I wasted money on your software!!!"

The above sentence came out of the blue, without any previous questions
about the specific problems. I welcome John to show the messages we had
written before and maybe point out our lack of support or similar
disrespectful behavior from F/X ??

Anyway, after this comment from John, which we found very disrespectful and
unproductive, we told John that we did not want to further support him.

Post by John Missing
Beloved in Christ,
After a horrible experience with the Injoy Firewall and PPPoE driver and
their lack of support for their products, which, in the end, could not
be configured because installing the driver interfered with MPTS
configuration, and then discovering that ISDNPM doesn't support DHCP and
finally finding that SafeFire seems to misread the configuration under
MPTS, I am wondering whether there is any way to connect to Verizon
Online DSL under OS/2.
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection. My machine dual boots OS/2 or Windows 98.
Any information would be appreciated.
Blessings,
Archbishop John

[John Missing]

Subject: Error
From: Bishop John Missing
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:51:00 -0400
Please help!
I just downloaded and registered Injoy Firewall and later downloaded PPPoE. With each of them
I carefully followed the directions for installation, but when I tried starting I got an error which I
InJoy Firewall, Copyright (C) F/X Communications
GATEWAY.EXE version 1.40 (1)
20:48.34 Fatal: Interface address/netmask 0.0.0.0 NOT allowed.
20:48.34 Fatal: Use e.g. 1.1.1.1 or 10.2.2.1 with netmask 255.255.255.0
Killed by signal! (C0010002)
InJoy PPPoE, Copyright (C) F/X Communications
PPPOET.EXE version 1.0 (1)
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :01 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :02 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :03 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :04 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :05 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :06 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :07 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :08 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Fatal: Interface address/netmask 0.0.0.0 NOT allowed.
23:08.02 Fatal: Use e.g. 1.1.1.1 or 10.2.2.1 with netmask 255.255.255.0
--
Blessings,
Archbishop John Missing
(http://fellowship-of-mercy.faithweb.com)
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory to Him Forever!
Subject: Re: Error
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:19:19 +0200
To:"Bishop John Missing"
The lan interface you install our driver to must be
assigned an ip address. For example 1.1.1.1. In other
words, you must go into the os2 tcpip configuration and make
active the lan card/interface and assign it a dummy
ip address. Hope this helps.

Please help!
I just downloaded and registered Injoy Firewall and later downloaded
PPPoE. With each of them I carefully followed the directions for
installation, but when I tried starting I got an error which I don't
InJoy Firewall, Copyright (C) F/X Communications
GATEWAY.EXE version 1.40 (1)
20:48.34 Fatal: Interface address/netmask 0.0.0.0 NOT allowed.
20:48.34 Fatal: Use e.g. 1.1.1.1 or 10.2.2.1 with netmask 255.255.255.0
Killed by signal! (C0010002)
InJoy PPPoE, Copyright (C) F/X Communications
PPPOET.EXE version 1.0 (1)
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :01 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :02 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :03 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :04 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :05 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :06 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :07 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Debug: getting interface :08 :00 00 00 00 00 00
23:08.02 Fatal: Interface address/netmask 0.0.0.0 NOT allowed.
23:08.02 Fatal: Use e.g. 1.1.1.1 or 10.2.2.1 with netmask 255.255.255.0
--
Blessings,
Archbishop John Missing
(http://fellowship-of-mercy.faithweb.com)
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory to Him Forever!

-- Bjarne Jensen
President, F/X Communications.
Subject:Re: Error (still more problems)
Date:Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:03:18 -0400
I found that the dummy address had to be used everywhere, including in the PPPoE configuration
file and that no other netmask than 255.255.255.0. I wonder whether that may cause me a
problem because Verizon Online seems to have a netmask of 255.255.248.0!
Now that I have the program running and not quitting before doing anything, I still don't manage
to make a connection. I have attached the PPPoE.trc file.

The lan interface you install our driver to must be
assigned an ip address. For example 1.1.1.1. In other
words, you must go into the os2 tcpip configuration and make
active the lan card/interface and assign it a dummy
ip address. Hope this helps.

--
Blessings,
Archbishop John Missing
(http://fellowship-of-mercy.faithweb.com)
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory to Him Forever!
*** TRACE FILE FOR PPPOE PLUGIN - version 1.10
-----------------trace file snipped to save bandwidth---------------------------------
Subject: Re: Error (still more problems)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:04:10 +0200
The dummy address don't need to be used averywhere, but for now
it's okay that you have filled it into the pppoe configuration.
The PPPoE negotiation gets to the point where we send out a
"discovery" packet, to find any PPPoE capable servers. Unfortunately
we get no response, so we just repeat the packet over and over.
1: PPPoE is not installed to right network adapter
2: the InJoy Firewall is not hooked up correctly - cabling for
instance.
3: Verizon doesn't support standard PPPoE?
4: You are using OS/2 3.x, instead of 4.x
That's it..

I found that the dummy address had to be used everywhere, including in

---------------------------my message snipped to shorten------------------------------------------------

Glory to Him Forever!

-- Bjarne Jensen
President, F/X Communications.
[Note: My work was then directed at checking everything. I use OS/2 Warp 4 with the latest
fixpack. Cabling was correct as determined by being able to operate under Windows 98 (I dual
boot OS/2 and Windows 98.). PPPoE was installed to the right network adapter as indicated by
MPTS, but it had been given a number one less than the interface and installation of Injoy's
PPPoE prevented me from correcting it.
I repeatedly tried various strategies to no avail, growing more frustrated with each attempt!]
Subject: Re: Error (still more problems)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:40:05 -0400
I wasted my money on your software!!! It looks like I may have to get a router in order to allow
my DSL connection to be accessible to OS/2!
Because it is incompatible with MPTS configuration software, I cannot configure it for the right
interface.
When I install your drive according to your directions, it associates it with the correct interface
card but with a number which is one less than that interface. Since your software interferes with
the normal operation of the MPTS configuration software, I cannot correct
this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The dummy address don't need to be used averywhere, but for now
it's okay that you have filled it into the pppoe configuration.
The PPPoE negotiation gets to the point where we send out a
"discovery" packet, to find any PPPoE capable servers. Unfortunately
we get no response, so we just repeat the packet over and over.
1: PPPoE is not installed to right network adapter

Because your software will not allow it to be!!!

2: the InJoy Firewall is not hooked up correctly - cabling for
instance.
3: Verizon doesn't support standard PPPoE? 4: You are using OS/2 3.x, instead of 4.x

--
Blessings,
Archbishop John Missing
(http://fellowship-of-mercy.faithweb.com)
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory to Him Forever!
[Please notice his first words!]
Subject: Re: Error (still more problems)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:55:54 +0200
You are a sad bastard of an archbishop to write a thing like that
and to show such little respect for the hard work of your fellow
man. It discusts me.
I had initially written you a nice reply to this, but honestly,
people like you make me sick (literally) and I won't deal further
with you. Good-bye.

I wasted my money on your software!!! It looks like I may have to get a
router in order to allow my DSL connection to be accessible to OS/2!
Because it is incompatible with MPTS configuration software, I cannot
configure it for the right interface.
When I install your drive according to your directions, it associates it
with the correct interface card but with a number which is one less than
that interface. Since your software interferes with the normal
operation of the MPTS configuration software, I cannot correct
this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Bjarne Jensen
President, F/X Communications.
Subject: Re: Error (still more problems)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:09:28 -0400
Beloved in Christ, Bjarne Jensen,
By the very first words out of your mouth you establish the lack of credence I should give your
comments. You stand in judgment of me, with cursing coming out of your mouth, because I
object to buying a product which does not operate. I acknowledge your hard work, but I also am
honest enough to point out the inadequacy of the result.
Obviously, because you already have my money you don't care to fulfill your responsibility of
supporting your product. Be assured that everyone whom I know will hear of your conduct and
my experience with your software. I am even considering posting our full correspondence on
OS/2 Usenet newsgroups on the Internet in order to warn other consumers before they have the
same experience.

You are a sad bastard of an archbishop to write a thing like that
and to show such little respect for the hard work of your fellow
man. It discusts me.
I had initially written you a nice reply to this, but honestly,
people like you make me sick (literally) and I won't deal further
with you. Good-bye.

I wasted my money on your software!!! It looks like I may have to get a
router in order to allow my DSL connection to be accessible to OS/2!
Because it is incompatible with MPTS configuration software, I cannot
configure it for the right interface.
When I install your drive according to your directions, it associates it
with the correct interface card but with a number which is one less than
that interface. Since your software interferes with the normal
operation of the MPTS configuration software, I cannot correct
this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Blessings,
Archbishop John Missing
(http://fellowship-of-mercy.faithweb.com)
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory to Him Forever!
[Notice how little he thinks of those on whom he depends for his income!]
Subject: Re: Error (still more problems)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:57:30 +0200
If you post this publically, then let me just include this.
Anyone that starts out by saying "I wasted my money on your software!!!",
will have the exact same problems with us. Professional and serious
people can just ask us politely and they we reply in the same fashion.
--Original Message Text---
From: Bishop John Missing
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:09:28 -0400
Beloved in Christ, Bjarne Jensen,
By the very first words out of your mouth you establish the lack of credence I should give your
comments. You stand in judgment of me, with cursing coming out of your mouth, because I object
to buying a product which does not operate. I acknowledge your hard work, but I also am honest
enough to point out the inadequacy of the result.
-------------------------snipped to save space--------------------------------------------------
-- Bjarne Jensen
President, F/X Communications.
Subject: Re: Error (still more problems)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:26:42 -0400
Beloved in Christ, Bjarne,
My statement did not justify your cursing me!!!
My prayers shall be that you receive justice for your unprofessional and heartless treatment of
frustrated customers.
Perhaps your ego is so large that you are incapable of admitting that your product has faults which
would prove frustrating when they repeated foil attempts to configure the software and you fail to
offer any effective support.
I am both a professional and serious person, but I object to spending God's money on products
that are defective and useless!

If you post this publically, then let me just include this.
Anyone that starts out by saying "I wasted my money on your software!!!",
will have the exact same problems with us. Professional and serious
people can just ask us politely and they we reply in the same fashion.

--------------------------------------snipped to save space------------------------------------------

-- Bjarne Jensen
President, F/X Communications.

--
Blessings,
Archbishop John Missing
(http://fellowship-of-mercy.faithweb.com)
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory to Him Forever!

Blessings,
Archbishop John

[James Moe]

[...] and yet you have no qualms about taking my money for
your defective product.

Have you asked for your money back?

[Bjarne Jensen]

James,

John did not ask for a refund, but we would be happy to
refund John if he stops lying about us and start telling the
truth - namely that:

1: We actually did support John - just as his e-mail record shows.

2: Support was halted ONLY when John said "I wasted money on your
software!!!".

3: It was a lie when John stated our products lacked support, as he had
received
support and he been told exactly why we halted support (in e-mail).

This is exactly what John e-mail record shows - and if John doesn't feel the
above
is true, then I would again simply ask him to point out exactly where I'm
wrong.

If John maintains that we didn't support him and try to cause damage to our
company in this rediculous way, then he is lying and then his only rights
with
our company (or BMT) are through the court system.

Post by James Moe

[...] and yet you have no qualms about taking my money for
your defective product.

Have you asked for your money back?
--
jimoe at sohnen-moe dot com

[Bjarne Jensen]

--Please-- point out where I lie in my posting!?

YOU call me a liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me repeat what you did, for me to conclude that you are a liar:

1: First you publically said here that we didn't give support. It was a lie!

2: Then you poste our actual support replies, which proves the lie.

This means that your claim about our products lacking support
is simply FALSE. We did give you support!

I'll ask again. Do you not agree that we supported you up to
the point where you wrote:

"I wasted money on your software!!!"

You can argue our suppport didn't help you solve the problems,
but then you could just have said that politely and we would have
done whatever it takes. You had no reason to belittle us or show
this kind of disrespect.

I believe this closes the case on our part.

Good-bye John Missing.

[Mark Klebanoff]

I used to have verizon DSL and the Linksys router worked fine with the
Westel modem Verizon supplied. I got rid of the setup because Comcast
cable internet proved to be faster, more reliable and cheaper than
Verizon DSL.

buy a cable/dsl router (they are real cheap).
they all have PPPoE code builtin which is what you need to get going
(plus you will get some protection from the jungle).

Is there a cable/dsl router that anyone "knows" will work with Verizon
DSL?

--

[Karlheinz Schmidthaus]

Post by John Missing
Beloved in Christ,
After a horrible experience with the Injoy Firewall and PPPoE driver and
their lack of support for their products, which, in the end, could not
be configured because installing the driver interfered with MPTS
configuration, and then discovering that ISDNPM doesn't support DHCP and
finally finding that SafeFire seems to misread the configuration under
MPTS, I am wondering whether there is any way to connect to Verizon
Online DSL under OS/2.

If they use PPPoE it is not DHCP to get the ip address and nameserver
information. PPPoE means PPP over Ethernet and the Authentication and
configuration is done with PPP and ISDNPM 3.x supports that.

[J-e-n-s]

Post by John Missing
I am wondering whether there is any way to connect to Verizon
Online DSL under OS/2.
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I have a router with an integrated ADSL modem. I payed 70 euro for it
and it works very good and it works with every op sys without special
drivers!

Jens

[l***@nospam.net]

Post by John Missing
I am wondering whether there is any way to connect to Verizon
Online DSL under OS/2.
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I have a router with an integrated ADSL modem. I payed 70 euro for it and it
works very good and it works with every op sys without special drivers!

On Verizon: The short answer is No -- you cannot set up a Verizon account
without using windows or a Mac. -- Once is it set up, there might be a way to
use Injoy Pro or Firewall or whatever they call it, to connect with an OS2
machine -- but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

The easy way is a $49 ethernet router. The cost of the software, might save
about $20 over the router. I used a D-Link router, and it was easy to setup
with OS2 -- after it was configured to Verizon with Windows.

Sometimes D-Link has stuff with rebates or closeouts on their website.

Jens

[t***@antispam.ham]

Post by l***@nospam.net

Post by John Missing
I am wondering whether there is any way to connect to Verizon
Online DSL under OS/2.
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I have a router with an integrated ADSL modem. I payed 70 euro for it and it
works very good and it works with every op sys without special drivers!

On Verizon: The short answer is No -- you cannot set up a Verizon account
without using windows or a Mac. -- Once is it set up, there might be a way to
use Injoy Pro or Firewall or whatever they call it, to connect with an OS2
machine -- but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

Are all Verizon services not the same? I was able to get OS/2 to work
with Verizon DSL service. I just ignored the step that told me to
install the Windows software. I didn't keep the service, however,
because I found it to be consistently slower than cable modem, and
one had to jump through hoops to keep the cost at less than cable
modem.

[l***@nospam.net]

Post by l***@nospam.net

Post by John Missing
I am wondering whether there is any way to connect to Verizon
Online DSL under OS/2.
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I have a router with an integrated ADSL modem. I payed 70 euro for it and it
works very good and it works with every op sys without special drivers!

On Verizon: The short answer is No -- you cannot set up a Verizon account
without using windows or a Mac. -- Once is it set up, there might be a way to
use Injoy Pro or Firewall or whatever they call it, to connect with an OS2
machine -- but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

Are all Verizon services not the same? I was able to get OS/2 to work with
Verizon DSL service. I just ignored the step that told me to install the
Windows software. I didn't keep the service, however, because I found it to
be consistently slower than cable modem, and one had to jump through hoops to
keep the cost at less than cable modem.

I would not assume all services were the same. I could not get DHCP to work,
and the service reps did not have the domain address to give out, etc. So I
could set it up manually. Now you might be a great geek who can figure that
stuff out without help -- but most people aren't. The router is the easiest
way for most.

As to cost, Verizon is cheaper then cable service now. Its a flat $35 per
month. As to speed, I see the complaints that others have made -- but I've
never experienced them, nor, seen any objective data on the issue.

[J-e-n-s]

Post by l***@nospam.net
As to cost, Verizon is cheaper then cable service now.

You are talking about Verizon DSL, right?
So what is a cable service?

Jens

[l***@nospam.net]

Post by J-e-n-s

Post by l***@nospam.net
As to cost, Verizon is cheaper then cable service now.

You are talking about Verizon DSL, right?
So what is a cable service?

Yes I am saying Verizon DSL is cheaper then most cable connections. Its $34
per month. -- Cable service is a connection that comes over your TV service
cable connection. I don't know what they are in other places, but its about
$40-45 per month for people I know, depending on what else they are already
buying for channels.

Post by J-e-n-s
Jens

[t***@antispam.ham]

Post by l***@nospam.net

Post by l***@nospam.net

Post by John Missing
I am wondering whether there is any way to connect to Verizon
Online DSL under OS/2.
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I have a router with an integrated ADSL modem. I payed 70 euro for it and it
works very good and it works with every op sys without special drivers!

On Verizon: The short answer is No -- you cannot set up a Verizon account
without using windows or a Mac. -- Once is it set up, there might be a way to
use Injoy Pro or Firewall or whatever they call it, to connect with an OS2
machine -- but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

Are all Verizon services not the same? I was able to get OS/2 to work with
Verizon DSL service. I just ignored the step that told me to install the
Windows software. I didn't keep the service, however, because I found it to
be consistently slower than cable modem, and one had to jump through hoops to
keep the cost at less than cable modem.

I would not assume all services were the same. I could not get DHCP to work,
and the service reps did not have the domain address to give out, etc. So I
could set it up manually. Now you might be a great geek who can figure that
stuff out without help -- but most people aren't. The router is the easiest
way for most.
As to cost, Verizon is cheaper then cable service now. Its a flat $35 per
month. As to speed, I see the complaints that others have made -- but I've
never experienced them, nor, seen any objective data on the issue.

While I was evaluating the DSL service, I kept objective data. I did
FTP file transfers from my computer at work and noted the transfer rates
as reported by the FTP program. Cable has become a lot slower since I
first started, but it's still faster than DSL. And the speed in the
opposite direction is considerably faster with cable. Sometimes I send
files at home TO work, and that's where the speed in the other direction
comes in handy.

[l***@nospam.net]

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Post by John Missing
I am wondering whether there is any way to connect to Verizon
Online DSL under OS/2.
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I have a router with an integrated ADSL modem. I payed 70 euro for it and it
works very good and it works with every op sys without special drivers!

On Verizon: The short answer is No -- you cannot set up a Verizon account
without using windows or a Mac. -- Once is it set up, there might be a way to
use Injoy Pro or Firewall or whatever they call it, to connect with an OS2
machine -- but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

Are all Verizon services not the same? I was able to get OS/2 to work with
Verizon DSL service. I just ignored the step that told me to install the
Windows software. I didn't keep the service, however, because I found it to
be consistently slower than cable modem, and one had to jump through hoops to
keep the cost at less than cable modem.

I would not assume all services were the same. I could not get DHCP to work,
and the service reps did not have the domain address to give out, etc. So I
could set it up manually. Now you might be a great geek who can figure that
stuff out without help -- but most people aren't. The router is the easiest
way for most.
As to cost, Verizon is cheaper then cable service now. Its a flat $35 per
month. As to speed, I see the complaints that others have made -- but I've
never experienced them, nor, seen any objective data on the issue.

While I was evaluating the DSL service, I kept objective data. I did FTP
file transfers from my computer at work and noted the transfer rates as
reported by the FTP program. Cable has become a lot slower since I first
started, but it's still faster than DSL. And the speed in the opposite
direction is considerably faster with cable. Sometimes I send files at home
TO work, and that's where the speed in the other direction comes in handy.

All the evidence states the speed you see depends on where you live. Now I
don't care what you found or when, because its not valid for everyone,
everywhere.

On the DSL line i have, I've down-loaded 30 mb files in a couple of minutes.
-- I've seen rates running between 700+ kb per sec. to 1.3 mb -- with no
reduction in the rate as more and more files were added for simultaneous
downloads. -- Now an cable connection somewhere might be even faster, but I
don't need it and I doubt if many do.

[t***@antispam.ham]

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Post by John Missing
I am wondering whether there is any way to connect to Verizon
Online DSL under OS/2.
Perhaps the question should be whether there is a software method of
connecting or must I buy a router and configure my machine for a LAN
connection.

I have a router with an integrated ADSL modem. I payed 70 euro for it and it
works very good and it works with every op sys without special drivers!

On Verizon: The short answer is No -- you cannot set up a Verizon account
without using windows or a Mac. -- Once is it set up, there might be a way to
use Injoy Pro or Firewall or whatever they call it, to connect with an OS2
machine -- but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

Are all Verizon services not the same? I was able to get OS/2 to work with
Verizon DSL service. I just ignored the step that told me to install the
Windows software. I didn't keep the service, however, because I found it to
be consistently slower than cable modem, and one had to jump through hoops to
keep the cost at less than cable modem.

I would not assume all services were the same. I could not get DHCP to work,
and the service reps did not have the domain address to give out, etc. So I
could set it up manually. Now you might be a great geek who can figure that
stuff out without help -- but most people aren't. The router is the easiest
way for most.
As to cost, Verizon is cheaper then cable service now. Its a flat $35 per
month. As to speed, I see the complaints that others have made -- but I've
never experienced them, nor, seen any objective data on the issue.

While I was evaluating the DSL service, I kept objective data. I did FTP
file transfers from my computer at work and noted the transfer rates as
reported by the FTP program. Cable has become a lot slower since I first
started, but it's still faster than DSL. And the speed in the opposite
direction is considerably faster with cable. Sometimes I send files at home
TO work, and that's where the speed in the other direction comes in handy.

All the evidence states the speed you see depends on where you live. Now I
don't care what you found or when, because its not valid for everyone,
everywhere.

Actually, the speed you see depends on what you pay for. DSL has offered
business customers, for example, higher speeds in the other direction.

Post by l***@nospam.net
On the DSL line i have, I've down-loaded 30 mb files in a couple of minutes.
-- I've seen rates running between 700+ kb per sec. to 1.3 mb -- with no
reduction in the rate as more and more files were added for simultaneous
downloads.

Are you suggesting that you can achieve infinite bandiwdth by simply
downloading more files simultaneously?

Post by l***@nospam.net
-- Now an cable connection somewhere might be even faster, but I
don't need it and I doubt if many do.

Irrelevant; I wasn't talking about what you need. Rather, I was
first talking about my ability to get OS/2 to work with Verizon DSL
service, and second about the objective data I gathered to determine
which of the two services (Verizon DSL versus cable modem) I wanted
to use.

[Jerry]

Post by l***@nospam.net
On Verizon: The short answer is No -- you cannot set up a Verizon account
without using windows or a Mac. -- Once is it set up, there might be a way to
use Injoy Pro or Firewall or whatever they call it, to connect with an OS2
machine -- but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

Then how did I manage it???? But I am using a Linksys router and eCS.

Cheers/2,
Jerry
--

[l***@nospam.net]

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Post by l***@nospam.net
On Verizon: The short answer is No -- you cannot set up a Verizon account
without using windows or a Mac. -- Once is it set up, there might be a way to
use Injoy Pro or Firewall or whatever they call it, to connect with an OS2
machine -- but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

Then how did I manage it???? But I am using a Linksys router and eCS.

Learn to read!!!

I said I couldn't figure it out -- and others have been here with the same
problem, and saying they didn't know how to do it without using windows
either.

Now you might be a geek who can do it -- so tell us how. And just n case you
are trying to lead us with a claim that ecs has something special that does it
-- and OS2 from IBM can't, be prepared to document it right here!

Post by Jerry
Cheers/2,
Jerry

[William L. Hartzell]

Sir:

John Missing wrote:
<snip>
Sorry, but as this thread has drifted from the original question, may I
add my two cents worth? Comcast has announced that it is increasing the
download speed for its cable customers to 3 million bits per second.
This is still not as good as At-Home offered (Ten Million bits per
second), but much better than AT&T's T-1 rate, which they imposed upon
us former At-Home users.

IF you have a choice, you should get Comcast. In this town-Garland, TX.
Verizon DSL offering is more expensive than Comcast's by $2.00 for 384
Kbps service, the last time I checked (eight months ago), but was
unavailable to my neighborhood.